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New format wishes?

Post by Lux on Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:55 pm

Hello. New format should be announced hopefully soon. So, it's right time to share our wishes about what card would we like to see back, or what would you like to see banned/limited/semi-limited.

Personally, I want Pot of Greed, Card Destruction, Heavy Storm, Monster Reborn and Dragon Rulers back...and that every "you can't yugioh" card got hit.

NOTE: This are only subjective wishes so don't disrespect anyone wishes.
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Jet Valentine on Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:16 pm

The performage trio should get hit (If it ain't already hit) To... Damage Juggler to Limited. Trick Clown to Limited. Hat Trick to a Banned.

Kozmo's should literally get Banned to an unplayable state... AKA Farmgirl, Straw... the witches and Tin can.

Nekroz should come back... (Ik, BUT I <3 Nekroz, if it weren't banned I'd replace Fluffals to instead of my fave, my 2nd fave)

Welp... I need them to make Sangan a Free Soul, and Witch of the black forest too. Since Sanwitch is best fusion:
Sanwitch:
Sanwitch is a perfect replacement for Shrek in Shrek is...

This is about it.

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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Asgore Dreemurr on Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:35 pm

All of these are salt and nostalgia lists...Let's get some logic in here...(With just a little of my wishlist.)


ALL adjusted list hits.

NEW Hits

Limited
Kozmo Tincan
Kozmotown
Pantheism Monarchs
Majesty's Fiend(and/or)
Vanity's Fiend
Draco Face-Off
Emergency Teleport (Pls no.)

Semi-Limited
Compulsory Evacuation Device
Inzektor Dragonfly
Ritual Beast Ulti-Cannahawk
Kozmo Dark Destroyer
Tenacity of the Monarchs
Leviair, The Sea Dragon
Wavering Eyes

Unlimited
Dragon Ravine
Artifact Moralltach
Night Assailant
Neospacian Grand Mole
Inzektor Hornet
Bottomless Trap Hole

Banned
Royal Magical Library
Ignister Prominence, the Blasting Dracoslayer
Magical Explosion
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Jet Valentine on Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:03 pm

@Asgore Dreemurr wrote:All of these are salt and nostalgia lists...Let's get some logic in here...(With just a little of my wishlist.)


ALL adjusted list hits.

NEW Hits

Limited
Kozmo Tincan
Kozmotown
Pantheism Monarchs
Majesty's Fiend(and/or)
Vanity's Fiend
Draco Face-Off
Emergency Teleport (Pls no.)

Semi-Limited
Compulsory Evacuation Device
Inzektor Dragonfly
Ritual Beast Ulti-Cannahawk
Kozmo Dark Destroyer
Tenacity of the Monarchs
Leviair, The Sea Dragon
Wavering Eyes

Unlimited
Dragon Ravine
Artifact Moralltach
Night Assailant
Neospacian Grand Mole
Inzektor Hornet
Bottomless Trap Hole

Banned
Royal Magical Library
Ignister Prominence, the Blasting Dracoslayer
Magical Explosion


Salt you say... Ban Royal magical library you say... Ban royal mothertrucking library... your argument is invalid bro, not even acknowledgeable.

Ban Royal Magical Library... (OMG It's power bro!!! It's so unfair!!!!) RML isn't even that great of a card. All it does is one single draw for every Exodia deck you have.

Emergency Teleport should be limited, I agree with that so much, I can't even start the subject without raging.

Kuraz isn't on the list... say wha?

Nostalgia?! nope... Sangan is just not worthy of being in the ban list anymore, it's not that powerful. In today's standard... searchers are 100 in 1, just like Witch of the black forest. And no nostalgia picks... I have no nostalgia except 4 Nekroz.

I'll say it... don't talk about salt... when probably RML isn't on the list, it's just a salt of yours... a bad experience with the card... or Exodia hit you too hard.

Well... Kozmo is just meta... it should be unplayable... it's just too annoying man.

I have salt w/ some of the cards... but YOU have salt w/ RML... so every salt is again... invalid... (I totally didn't repeat myself)
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Asgore Dreemurr on Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:08 pm

Let me debunk you because you're entirely wrong, SO wrong.

The reason I put a ban on RML is simple: It's ONLY used in FTK/OTKs. It's unhealthy for the game state. I never had a run in with RML, so shut up.

I put a hit on anything that could FTK that is currently allowed, hence the addition of Magical Explosion. Everything I added is by the opinion of hundreds of top duelists and many(many) YouTubers who see what the game state currently is, and it is very unhealthy. For god sakes an FTK deck just top 16'd in Prague.

No, I am NOT salty, I just KNOW that card is unhealthy AF so don't go around saying my argument is invalid when you have no knowledge of why I put it there. You also have no right to insult and degrade me like that. I said "salt list" because most of those cards would make the player base extremely ANGRY.

And "Kozmo are too meta."






LOL





No they aren't. They brick too much, and so do Monarchs. I hit their key cards, the BEST cards of the deck. Now it's tier 1.5 high tier 2 with that hit. They would brick consistently, so would Monarchs.

Learn the meta first then talk.
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Jet Valentine on Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:48 pm

So... you mean to say that RML is unhealthy... how about you put the FTK/OTK cards on the list? It makes no sense. RML is just a card used on the act, the card is fine, there is better draw power out there, hence pots... and Upstart... you ain't making any sense in saying it's unhealthy, It's just another card... If FTK/OTK cards are those "top duelists and youtubers" problem... why not riot for the MAIN cards in the FTK/OTK shiz? Stupid top duelists and youtubers.

Who said Kozmo is "too" meta? Don't be taking it out of context. Also, Kozmo bricking? yup... that sounds real... I've used Kozmo... trust me when I say... a "brick" for them is just another "Only got yada yada" day. They have so many cards that are low level, that they can get off easily to get to their annoying beatsticks, hell... you ever heard of reasoning? It's a pretty good card for Kozmo's to run, like ET, and Straw, Tin, Farmgirl... hence why I talked about them. If a deck is built right, like all the "pros" and "youtubers" do it, then Kozmo won't even brick... one card from all of those that I mentioned can just turn it to a "shizhole". Regardless, I don't really need to talk a lil more, a Kozmo brick is like saying that f'ing main Y-G-O anime protagonist lost a duel...
(Something that happens only once every darned year... like... I'll throw anyone at them, they will not lose.)

Monarchs... I got nothing, just ban Kuraz... and they do brick... but when they don't... It's f'ing annoying.

What it should have been:
RML: Nope, how about the darn Main cards in the FTK/OTK? sounds legit to me.
Kozmo: Ban and limit like they sold out...
Monarch: Hit Kuraz and the spells, should be controlled for a couple of years.

P.S. A hit on everything that can FTK.. I see no tempest magician...
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Valkoor on Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:11 am

Alright, so let's get this sorted here, since there seem to be a few debates of sorts here, plus I'd like to address some additional comments on the banlist wishes:

RML: RML should be hit, not because it's used in FTK's, but because it's ONLY used in FTK's. Like Ten said, it's a totally degenerate card. It not only limits card design, but has resulted in a multitude of FTK's that could be stopped by ONLY hitting RML. Tempest Magician is a card that's totally fine if we BAN RML. Magical Explosion is a card that's totally fine if we BAN RML. Exodia FTK is totally fine if we BAN RML. RML is the centralizing forces in these FTK's; the end results are all different, but the main perpetrator due to the excessive draw power is RML, and it will continue to find ridiculous ways to draw through your deck until you FTK unless we ban it. In short, all the things you gave as the "main forces" of the FTK's aren't really the main forces. They're the end result, but RML is the enabler.

Kuraz: Totally fine in the TCG. The TCG dislikes more than one Kuraz in the deck because tribute summons are ruled differently here. In the OCG, you can build the chain yourself between the tribute fodder and tribute summoned monster; in the TCG, the tribute fodder always activates as chain link 1, meaning Kuraz misses timing when summoned off of Aither.

Monarch: They do brick. Realistically, Pantheism, Tenacity, and Idea are the initial cards that would be hit, to limit their already low consistency, seeing as they're tier 1 even with the high brick chance.

Kozmo: These actually do need to get hit really hard. Considering they placed second at YCS Prague (and due to some relatively BS sacking by the first place, they very well could have gotten first), and that they really don't brick all that often (Emergency Teleport, 3 Tincan, 3 Farmgirl, and 3 of the combined Witches as well as any other lower levels they may run), they're sorta ridiculous. Mind you, I do think hitting the consistency, as well as maybe Dark Destroyer, is the way to go. So yes, basically Tincan and Kozmotown. I would really prefer to see Emergency Teleport not hit, seeing as it actually contributes a lot to to the game, and Kozmo is the issue, not E-Tele. But, knowing Konami, it's likely to be hit as a scapegoat.

And now, some additional things I'd like to address:

Nekroz: I'm not against them getting back a little bit of support, mainly Shurit. Although, if they did get back Shurit, it might be idea to hit something else in the deck, not sure what. I think just that would make them pretty viable again. Shurit was a huge part of the deck, and it being banned sort of killed it.

Night Assailant: Can we not bring this thing back? The entire reason it's limited is that it recycles itself. You basically never go minus off of anything that discards from your hand, and it's not like Sinister Serpent because you just get back a Night Assailant immediately. If we're trying to contribute to stopping FTK's and loops, unlimiting this is not how we do it.

BTH: No Heavy Storm, but tries to bring back one of the best traps in the game - especially in a pendulum format - to three, while being searchable by a monster. Noooo thank you.
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Lux on Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:06 am

Take it easy guys - these are only wishes.
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Re: New format wishes?

Post by Dragonecro0987 on Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:48 pm

@Lux wrote:Take it easy guys - these are only wishes.

And that is where the main conflict begins man. People have differences of opinions and feel the need to argue them out, despite the level of idiocy shown.

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As for my thoughts, I agree with Valk's points.

Mostly for the banlist, I just want to have it to where other rouge decks could have more of a chance to succeed as Shiranui and Dinomists, for example, are good decks with a good window of power through their self protection and power plays. However, people are more focused on the Meta to win. And even then, Amorphage is coming soon which will deal with everything as one of the best Anti-Everything Decks ever.

One thing that I hate in banlist wishes is when people put personal bias into their choices over choices to help the game itself. Stuff like banning a deck into a near unplayable state is one of these actions I see most often.

As for the meta:

Kozmo: Kozmo are a fickle bunch for me. Because they have great power plays and searching. Knowing Konami and their history with TCG exclusive archetypes however, I am gonna call it that they will Scapegoat hit E-Tele before the main monsters. Considering how long it took Konami to hit anything in BA besides Tour Guide. So don't expect Konami to hit anything in there directly for a while.

However if Konami did go through with this and try to directly hit the deck, Farmgirl to 1 would be a good step to take in my opinion and maybe hitting Destroyer to 1 to lessen powerful plays and beatdown, or at least slow it down for the moment.

Monarchs: Monarchs = Brick.dek. Like seriously. Even though Monarchs are one of the most budget Meta decks around since you can easily buy 3 Monarch structure decks from any Walmart or Target or card shop and have instant Meta. However the main problem is the deck focuses too much on high level monsters. I would sort of compare them, only slightly, to D/D/D. D/D/D in general is High Risk with a High Reward Value if you manage to get them out.

Really though most hate of Monarchs, in my opinion, should be directed at the Domain Lockdown and maybe to Pantheism. Since the Domain Lockdown is one of the driving forces of power behind the deck, able to lock down the Extra Deck, gives an open window to attack with. However Pantheism also for it giving draws and searching for that Domain. Valk already covered this, but the TCG and OCG with their timings in tributes makes Kuraz miss his timing if brought out from Ehther. And even still people only really run 1 copy of Kuraz.

Majesty's Fiend and Vanity's Fiend are not really the big issues here for Monarchs, despite their stun power. I'd say hit Domain, Pantheism, and Edea and you will see them plummet in status.



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